tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post2012804732158199506..comments2023-12-23T19:04:18.739-05:00Comments on The Crow's Eye: Identity Captured by the Liberal StateJack Crowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-56829968283811037212010-05-17T00:04:02.856-04:002010-05-17T00:04:02.856-04:00The liberal state is not co-identical with only yo...The liberal state is not co-identical with only your conception of liberalism, JM.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-42432219447408389072010-05-16T23:27:25.467-04:002010-05-16T23:27:25.467-04:00It really would be a liberal state if we actually ...It really would be a liberal state if we actually gave minorities more rights as opposed to simply appointing them, no? Or are we supposed to see these rights as simple priveliges? You also may be surprised at a few groups if you look beyond the HRC too.JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03223879013564312871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-73337215436083635922010-05-16T21:03:06.485-04:002010-05-16T21:03:06.485-04:00JM,
I'm not discussing political parties so m...JM,<br /><br />I'm not discussing political parties so much as the liberal state itself. Sometimes social and economic conservatives capture the state, sometimes it's political liberals. <br /><br />But the state itself is still a liberal state, embedded entirely within the traditions of Locke, the Enlightenment, assimilation and the the language of rights.<br /><br />By comparison, Saudia Arabia, Russia, China and Brazil are not liberal states, regardless of reformist tendencies or parties seeking representation within them.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-77597999304169116532010-05-16T21:02:13.454-04:002010-05-16T21:02:13.454-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-65931210487016465902010-05-16T20:26:25.031-04:002010-05-16T20:26:25.031-04:00Third parties, however, have also befriended the S...Third parties, however, have also befriended the Saudi elites:<br /><br />http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/CynthiaMcKinney/news/pr011012.htm<br /><br />So it's not just a "liberal" thing.JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03223879013564312871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-76984214726476790732010-05-16T12:44:25.925-04:002010-05-16T12:44:25.925-04:00Ethan,
At my last position I had several gay empl...Ethan,<br /><br />At my last position I had several gay employees, male and female. More than anywhere in my working or managerial career, in fact. <br /><br />[The part of New England where I live (an hour or so north of Boston) doesn't really have a large gay community, so the one gay club has become the unifying community, drawing in pretty much all of the gay people who are comfortable gathering together as homosexuals.]<br /><br />That dynamic definitely played out amongst them, with the really flamboyant man treated as a pariah, and with him subsequently taking to alcoholic self-medication.<br /><br />I don't know their motives, but it seemed like his exclusion served as a sign to the straight people that they could "police their own."<br /><br />I don't have a lot of experience in socially marginalized groups (being of American Indian and sephardic heritage is no bar to inclusion; in fact, quite the opposite, giving recent social trends) - so I'm loathe to draw conclusions.<br /><br />Do you think it's a matter of weighing out, on whatever number of levels, the benefits of assimilation, versus the cost to be borne by not assimilating?<br /><br />Is this what underpins most of the capture of marginal groups within the liberal state, since the liberal state is itself assimilationist?<br /><br />Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.<br /><br />Gratitude,<br /><br />JackJack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-61866082290836109442010-05-16T12:08:31.697-04:002010-05-16T12:08:31.697-04:00Speaking as a pretty-much gay American man, it'...Speaking as a pretty-much gay American man, it's frequently amazed me how closed-off the mainstream "gay rights" movement is. Gay marriage is the ultimate achievement, with no thought given to either the fact that marriage (while fine for the individual couple) is in aggregate a part of the liberal power structure, or that without a broader underpinning of respect for humanity marriage rights really don't mean much.<br /><br />Black people, poor people, transgendered people, flamboyant men, dykey women, anyone whose sexual tastes or self-presentation don't essentially match up in a one-to-one homo analog to standard hetero pairings in the white WASPy middle-to-upper-class world, one or two of these people might be allowed into a group photo from time to time, but their concerns will never be addressed, and will always be pushed off the table when they conflict with the holy grail of acceptance at Starbucks.<br /><br />Class-based analysis? Don't make me laugh.Ethanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07498712279382078624noreply@blogger.com