tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post5096151002207712091..comments2023-12-23T19:04:18.739-05:00Comments on The Crow's Eye: Burn 'em all...Jack Crowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-77575892600436693042012-03-12T09:07:47.159-04:002012-03-12T09:07:47.159-04:00I think the talented can learn anywhere, but the l...I think the talented can learn anywhere, but the less adept can benefit from a more focused environment. <br /><br />The Buddha sat in front of a wall and was enlightened, I mounted a flatscreen to mine. Enlightenment is going to be a bit tougher for me...fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-42593853587110118212012-03-11T09:16:56.367-04:002012-03-11T09:16:56.367-04:00Took me a bit to get back to you, fish. Sorry abou...Took me a bit to get back to you, fish. Sorry about that.<br /><br />I guess where we differ is in the belief that a room set aside for meditation is preferable to learning how to do it in ordinary space.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-37632011909961274842012-03-09T17:51:29.344-05:002012-03-09T17:51:29.344-05:00Couldn't all that learning be done without the...<i>Couldn't all that learning be done without the Enclosure? </i><br /><br />I think so, but I am not sure. Like a meditation room allowing someone to remove his or herself from the surroundings to better achieve the desired results, the enclosure does create a defined space where specific things can be explored more fully without distraction and with access to more resources than can be mustered without the power of institutional resource aggregation. There is probably value to that. <br />The problem as you rightly point out, is access. Access is granted through status and money. There are also the institutional forces that reinforce status quo and indoctrinate (that word seems more conspiratorial than the reality). <br />I feel like if access could be flattened without destroying the good aspects of enclosure, then the university would be a powerful place with value to society. Right now it is just power and I am not sure what I am suggesting is even possible.fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-67687874423981478902012-03-09T15:09:53.421-05:002012-03-09T15:09:53.421-05:00Gatto (whose solutions I do not share) is the sing...Gatto (whose solutions I do not share) is the singular person who <i>changed</i> my decrepit mind, on the matter, Mr. Kasper.<br /><br />fish,<br /><br />Couldn't all that learning be done without the Enclosure? <br /><br />PR,<br /><br />Aren't they the point? Both to produce them, and those who do what the Bush-Perry-Obama's tell 'em to do?Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-78161436907988527022012-03-09T12:15:53.100-05:002012-03-09T12:15:53.100-05:00Wow! Someone got their feathers ruffled. As long a...Wow! Someone got their feathers ruffled. As long as these institutes churn out graduates like George W. Bush and Rick Perry I can't see any problem.PRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07259435941857794757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-68739424639110333232012-03-09T10:01:16.187-05:002012-03-09T10:01:16.187-05:00He doesn't suggest arson, but you should check...He doesn't suggest arson, but you should check out John Taylor Gatto on this subject.David K Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10756535951359716522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-47954399980321398672012-03-09T09:29:08.366-05:002012-03-09T09:29:08.366-05:00The schools are a funny place. Occasionally studen...The schools are a funny place. Occasionally students actually believe that the teachers really mean the stuff they say about free thinking and end up learning. <br /><br />Sure it is a bit of a bug in the program, but it is a pretty good bug. Problem is, too many people ignore the bug and go on their merry way running the program as intended.<br /><br />Then it's just the protectionist racket Jack describes.fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-72511071986588293702012-03-09T07:15:57.542-05:002012-03-09T07:15:57.542-05:00BDR,
Had to google Keith Jackson. Amused.
RQ,
T...BDR,<br /><br />Had to google Keith Jackson. Amused.<br /><br />RQ,<br /><br />That's the spirit. I'll bring the Tequila, too.<br /><br />davidly,<br /><br />The play's the thing, conscience of kings, and all that. Thank you.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-17170557161458951652012-03-09T06:02:08.700-05:002012-03-09T06:02:08.700-05:00A black & white reading of this text might lea...A black & white reading of this text might lead one to believe that it's calling for the execution of somebody's favorite teacher. I read it more as a call to unfettered access to "said" teacher.davidlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04754707934311038544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-73819937803181657502012-03-08T21:55:29.805-05:002012-03-08T21:55:29.805-05:00I've got a lighter! Who's got the gasoline...I've got a lighter! Who's got the gasoline? (figurative lighter, figurative. Someone has to deal with TSA later this month. It's a joke!)The Red Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878357454951384602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-89819284877631492082012-03-08T20:31:30.843-05:002012-03-08T20:31:30.843-05:00*Whoa Nelly?* I -knew- you were Keith Jackson.*Whoa Nelly?* I -knew- you were Keith Jackson.BDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06557941385560728052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-8619656708076036432012-03-08T19:35:24.735-05:002012-03-08T19:35:24.735-05:00Whoa nelly. Busy next few days. But, good stuff he...Whoa nelly. Busy next few days. But, good stuff here.<br /><br />Off the cuff (since you two seem to disagree the most) -<br /><br />pied,<br /><br />An admittedly stark example, but I imagine the fact that orgasms occur on porn film sites hardly negates that rapes, coercion, exploitation and abuse occur at much higher rates.<br /><br />mp,<br /><br />It's not really black and white. I think academia is Enclosure. There's no reforming that, but that doesn't mean that I see the issue without nuance.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-30596225860169281112012-03-08T15:49:16.931-05:002012-03-08T15:49:16.931-05:00of helping someone to grow .. . with out being ove...of helping someone to grow .. . with out being overbearing ..annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224316837055308827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-26247526913676659922012-03-08T15:00:13.730-05:002012-03-08T15:00:13.730-05:00eh, when Jack gets black and white, he gets blind ...eh, when Jack gets black and white, he gets blind violent, so every comp teacher with a hard-on for Edward Said's as culpable as Larry Summers. please, dude.mpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-5172015835604307172012-03-08T13:04:14.305-05:002012-03-08T13:04:14.305-05:00Pied Cow,
I dunno, we've all been indoctrinat...Pied Cow,<br /><br />I dunno, we've all been indoctrinated into believing that "meritocracy is better than the police." That is the one thought that all educated people must not question: it is their ticket to showing that they are "liberal." <br /><br />But is it true? Are Ben Bernanke and Larry Summers better than the slightly dickish cop down the street? <br /><br />Ehhhh, see, that's where Jack Crow is getting at something. the idea that the Ivy Leaguer can point to the cop and say, "you, young cop, I don't know _how_ you sleep at night!" is just self-serving self-righteous brainwashing, when, as Jack points out, if he knew any better he would be saying, "I know how my bread is buttered...Fuck it, I'm one of the bad guys."Pharrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-47905213575932695012012-03-08T12:56:31.884-05:002012-03-08T12:56:31.884-05:00well, while Crow may be right that the more radica...well, while Crow may be right that the more radical move is not to make distinctions between one form of schooling and another, we can perhaps agree that some places are worse than others. so academia is worse than, say, public high school, the bullshit-meritocratic-Ivy-League-University of Chicago-Stanford-UC System-connection is worse than other places, etc.Jeremynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-80827555966362770142012-03-08T12:34:51.109-05:002012-03-08T12:34:51.109-05:00plus, burning schools are bound to produce(?) way ...plus, burning schools are bound to produce(?) way more "freethinkers"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-24095181315254895332012-03-08T11:38:26.549-05:002012-03-08T11:38:26.549-05:00the pied cow blog,
I think your description of ...the pied cow blog,<br />I think your description of 'some free thinkers' are the exception not the rule. <br /><br />As anne and rob discussed upthread, it could be argued that those in question had nothing to do with schooling.d.mantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03817778296282926641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-45220558889499830522012-03-08T06:01:30.673-05:002012-03-08T06:01:30.673-05:00Hi Jack,
You don't happen to have a well-defi...Hi Jack,<br /><br />You don't happen to have a well-defined opinion on this issue, do you?<br /><br />In my own experience, however, I don't find schools to be any more or less malevolent than any other institution.<br /><br />The most dissenting and clear-thinking person I ever met was my 8th grade math teacher. Without going to school I would never have read Thomas Hobbes or Nietzsche.<br /><br />So schools have at least <i>some</i> redeeming value.<br /><br />True enough, there's little doubt that schools are, by and large, institutions that have as their main product graduates (or dropouts) with a particular type of social refinement that functions primarily to serve the economic interests of the ruling elite.<br /><br />But that's true with just about every institution that carries the stamp of social legitimacy, insofar as the main object is the advancement of elite privilege.<br /><br />Matter o' fact, I think a convincing argument can be made that schools are less malevolent than most social institutions, because they produce at least <i>some</i> free thinkers, which is a decided improvement over such other social institutions as investment banks, military contractors and police gangs.the pied cow bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227942344107357027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-11057875235997034782012-03-07T23:41:53.834-05:002012-03-07T23:41:53.834-05:00liberals are the modern day Priest Class. The chur...liberals are the modern day Priest Class. The churches have become universities. They run most of the big media/entertainment companies and are embedded in the civil service to a large degree. The liberal is best represented by the "teacher" who thinks smart people should run things.<br /><br />conservatives are the modern day Merchant Class. They run wall street and most other major corporations. The business man thinks the rich should run things. For this reason, the priest and the merchant have hated each other for a long time.<br /> <br />While both exert power over the masses and sell their own myths through their respective organizations, neither group can rule alone.<br /><br />the Warrior Class is the final key. Today it is represented by the Pentagon and your local police station. The are the simplest and most brutal. For them it is the strong that rules the weak.<br /><br />The three work together (in my mind) to bribe(merchant) deceive(priest) and force(warrior) any population into slavery. This has been replicated in most societies to varying degrees since the dawn of time. It might lean more heavily to one or the other depending on circumstance. For instance a theocracy or communist dictatorship would favor the priest and warrior class while most western countries lean toward the merchant and priest. <br /><br />Sorry for going off topic a bit with this theory. hope you find it interesting.<br /><br />tl;dr<br />Liberals are modern churchmenalltheyoungdudesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-17361172288844367862012-03-07T22:20:56.399-05:002012-03-07T22:20:56.399-05:00The big problem is that the elites pull their &quo...The big problem is that the elites pull their "divide and conquer" shit. So they have the conservatives attack academia, and then the proggies feel that it's "liberal" to support academia in turn. Why that unbelievably obvious trick continues to work, I have no idea. Then again, maybe none of this stuff works.Roseannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-20151987340082577352012-03-07T21:06:10.053-05:002012-03-07T21:06:10.053-05:00All true. But there is no escape, Jack. Enjoy this...All true. But there is no escape, Jack. Enjoy this dialogue from one of the more honest elites:<br /><br />"Q: what constitutes American success?<br /><br />A: Money in the bank, a house in the country, one's name in the columns.<br /><br />Q: What else?<br /><br />A: The deference of department store clerks, a place at the table of one of the country's better corporate boardrooms, invitations to the White house and the Academy awards ceremony, the homage of headwaiters, a Pulitzer prize.<br /><br />Q: Why then rail against the people who possess in large abundance the objects of your desire?<br /><br />A: Because they achieve them by dubious means.<br /><br />Q: But what means are dubious in a society that raises selfishness to the power of supreme virtue--good for business, good for the stock market, good for America?<br /><br />A: some means are better than others.<br /><br />Q: To whom do the distinctions matter? To the president of the United States?<br /><br />A: the president is made of wax<br /><br />Q: To ABC news?<br /><br />A: the media grovel for ratings.<br /><br />Q: To the members of congress or the deans of universities?<br /><br />A: the members of congress and the deans of universities spend 80 percent of their time bobbing for the coins of subsidy.<br /><br />Q: Why then refuse to play by the house rules? Why decline the invitation to the beggars waltz?<br /><br />A:I am a person of moral quality<br /><br />Q: But who will thank you for your fine phrases and stalwart principles?<br /><br />A: The editors of the New York Review of Books.<br /><br />Q: If you're not in, you're out, and when was out a better place to be?<br /><br />A: Long ago and far away and sometimes in the poems of William Butler Yeats."<br /><br />-Lewis Laphamalltheyoungdudesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-2349584298092291982012-03-07T20:46:33.901-05:002012-03-07T20:46:33.901-05:00ah forgive me for posting twice but "it's...ah forgive me for posting twice but "it's" has the wrong antecedent in the 6th line. I meant something like, "the younger generation sees through the members of the older generation, whether those members are lit theorists yapping about the speaking subaltern or sociologists, etc."Pharrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-76713110888742779612012-03-07T20:45:46.195-05:002012-03-07T20:45:46.195-05:00Also that they often come from places like Harvard...Also that they often come from places like Harvard or Yale.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16824840608930313691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-39120590347097919762012-03-07T20:44:23.554-05:002012-03-07T20:44:23.554-05:00Anne, I agree with you that intellect isn't a ...Anne, I agree with you that intellect isn't a result of school and I didn't mean to imply that. Probably my fault for not being clear enough. Intellectuals as such are part of the indoctrination since they are often propagandists who twist facts.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16824840608930313691noreply@blogger.com