tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post7426137308195726669..comments2023-12-23T19:04:18.739-05:00Comments on The Crow's Eye: Who We OweJack Crowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-36030388518363437552010-12-07T23:02:03.193-05:002010-12-07T23:02:03.193-05:00for e7, from the other wiki:
To avoid the abuses...for e7, from the other wiki: <br /><br /><i>To avoid the abuses of the English law (including executions by Henry VIII of those who criticized his repeated marriages), treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:<br />Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.<br />The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.</i><br /><br />so from my amateur reading, even granting that Mr manning has committed a 'crime', the charge would probably not be one of 'treason' unless of course they waterboard a confession out of him.almostinfamousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-33479212226314670342010-12-07T22:36:38.620-05:002010-12-07T22:36:38.620-05:00This discussion is exactly why I support Wikileaks...This discussion is exactly why I support Wikileaks.BDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06557941385560728052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-41879371013334341862010-12-07T22:25:36.483-05:002010-12-07T22:25:36.483-05:00Thank you.Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-66428422780557774692010-12-07T21:37:10.580-05:002010-12-07T21:37:10.580-05:00Fair nuff.Fair nuff.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-11656816730762059782010-12-07T21:27:59.070-05:002010-12-07T21:27:59.070-05:00Landru, I don't care about e7's symmetry o...Landru, I don't care about e7's symmetry or asymmetry of emotional and philosophical cause and effect.<br /><br />I care about this: "I hope he dies a painful death."<br /><br />happy happy to you, anywayJack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-63779941377312496522010-12-07T21:11:05.378-05:002010-12-07T21:11:05.378-05:00Entertainment r good, mmkay? Unlike Landru, it'...Entertainment r good, mmkay? Unlike Landru, it's also not mutually exclusive with serious thought. <br /><br />It would be erroneous to assume that E7's view on this narrow slice of topic is symmetrical with his overall perspective or his life, in much the same way that it would be erroneous to assume that my view on the propriety of the application of state power is symmetrical with my view on the behavior of individuals within the existing military apparatus. Not that I'm claiming you assumed anything about me.<br /><br />And that said, let us join hands and celebrate at least a piece of the notion that all families are dysfunctional. Including the joy that is our chosen bloggy family, however loose it may be.<br /><br />Ask bDr about war buffery sometime. He might have a story to tell you about a friend. Happy Pearl Harbor Day.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-21264506486132620282010-12-07T20:33:00.968-05:002010-12-07T20:33:00.968-05:00I guess this is what I get for suspending my cynic...I guess this is what I get for suspending my cynicism and writing a pre hoc memorial that almost approaches earnestness.<br /><br />The reduction to entertainment.<br /><br />On a less serious note, siblings sure can differ. My own (much younger) brothers are (a) a sardonically reactionary Catholic high school history teacher, (b) a closeted pagan war buff, and IT geek for a major internet corporation, and (c) an academic hipster capitalist at a ridiculously exclusive arts and music college, who owns property and a production company in Greater Boston and is about to marry someone (a really sweet girl) who decides who does and does not get into MIT.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-33480784553519824402010-12-07T19:16:20.592-05:002010-12-07T19:16:20.592-05:00I'm sorry--I didn't mean to give the impre...I'm sorry--I didn't mean to give the impression that I disapproved of your venom toward E7. My impression is that all three of us found that, at some level, entertaining, though I don't want to arrogate anyone's right to feel entertained or not. And as I noted, I certainly don't agree that anyone deserves a more particularly horrible death than anyone else.<br /><br />We'll disagree on the contractual relationship between Manning and the state. I do feel pretty entitled to the opinion that, if he leaked (and especially if the WaPo story that you linked to is true as regards his actively seeking a connection to leak to), he's a pretty serious dumbass.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-54409830554905752942010-12-07T18:43:55.154-05:002010-12-07T18:43:55.154-05:00Landru,
I enjoy being tragically, comically wrong...Landru,<br /><br />I enjoy being tragically, comically wrong. I have kids who need to be reminded, regularly, that I'm capable of all manner of error.<br /><br />That said, I can't rustle about any sympathy for the bloodlust, or for the argument that Manning deserves punishment just because at one point in his life he agreed to an unfair and damaging contractual relationship which depends entirely on his complicity in murder. <br /><br />The prior agreement is not universally or unbreakable binding - and anyone who argues that a man should die because he violates a contract which rests upon duress and murder deserves every bit of calumny and venom I can manage.<br /><br />Especially the venom, since it is a precise requital of evil for evil. <br /><br />Respect,<br /><br />JackJack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-28451512488304706272010-12-07T18:27:22.004-05:002010-12-07T18:27:22.004-05:00I tried to weigh in earlier, and I think I flubbed...I tried to weigh in earlier, and I think I flubbed it. If this ends up being duplicative (and other comments have succeeded, so I think I flubbed), I apologize.<br /><br />I don't agree with E7's sentiment about a painful death. But I don't disagree about what underlies it. Bradley Manning is a member of the military. I know nothing about his guilt or culpability, but if, in fact, he leaked, he did a crime and is rightly subject to the military justice system, such as it is. I'm not interested in the relative semantics (treason v. espionage v. bad kitty), but if he leaked, he did a crime. In either event, Bradley Manning is no more a hero than a soldier celebrated for killing a boatload of brown people. <br /><br />Here's the interesting bit: <br /><br /><i>do the job and leave it done, keep your promises...<br /><br />Disobey anyone who wants to live your life, or tell you how to live it.</i><br /><br />Tough prescription for someone who chooses to join the military.<br /><br />As always, I admire the sentiment about punching a motherfucker. I think we simply disagree on whether anyone, in this instance, has it coming.<br /><br />E7's handle is, in effect, initials. You guessed entirely, comically wrong in every respect. In a perfectly related development, I guessed entirely wrong about his stand on this when the issue first came up over at bDr's joint. But with respect, I submit that you've got E7 wrong. As his brother likes to point out, we're all complicit in our own way.<br /><br />None of which disentitles you to your sentiments, of course.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-16850393683435809412010-12-07T17:30:11.315-05:002010-12-07T17:30:11.315-05:00e7,
Thank you for the second demonstration of the...e7,<br /><br />Thank you for the second demonstration of the above mentioned entitlement, such that you appropriate all the might of the state, and of power, into your own judgments, and declare an act treason - using words as magical devices to alter your perception - in order to slate your (likely temperamental and conditioned) bloodlust.<br /><br />I assume e7 indicates rank, perhaps as a specialist sergeant?<br /><br />If so, color me unsurprised, hero. <br /><br />I type this without displeasure - fuck you, clown.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-22716360090416043722010-12-07T17:00:47.396-05:002010-12-07T17:00:47.396-05:00What can I say, treason's a bitch. Your displ...What can I say, treason's a bitch. Your displeasure fills me with Christmas cheer.E7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-1653013105094119002010-12-07T16:27:49.952-05:002010-12-07T16:27:49.952-05:00davidly, Randall, zencomix -
A pleasure.
e7,
Y...davidly, Randall, zencomix - <br /><br />A pleasure.<br /><br />e7,<br /><br />You are not entitled to your opinion. It's yours. You can express it in any manner you wish. I'm not going to delete it - but your unstated sense of entitlement is noted, and rejected.<br /><br />Fuck you.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-77585758571329345582010-12-07T15:27:44.500-05:002010-12-07T15:27:44.500-05:00I hope he dies a painful deathI hope he dies a painful deathE7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-51996778652707186402010-12-07T14:23:04.481-05:002010-12-07T14:23:04.481-05:00I learned a lot of history listening to Utah Phill...I learned a lot of history listening to Utah Phillips on the radio, but I hadn't heard that one yet. Thanks!zencomixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02425613931488064403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-74345523461068629402010-12-07T12:35:08.113-05:002010-12-07T12:35:08.113-05:00Gold.Gold.davidlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04754707934311038544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-20032503477960930522010-12-07T11:55:24.643-05:002010-12-07T11:55:24.643-05:00As the young people say, word.As the young people say, word.Randal Graveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08728992897551848531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-2663043865637235542010-12-07T10:49:11.432-05:002010-12-07T10:49:11.432-05:00Ethan,
You're the one who really got me think...Ethan,<br /><br />You're the one who really got me thinking about this in a way which allowed me to suspend my suspiciousness and cynicism - so credit where it is due.<br /><br />And it is due.<br /><br />Respect,<br /><br />JackJack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-28308941983312500602010-12-07T10:37:53.069-05:002010-12-07T10:37:53.069-05:00I hadn't heard about the solitary confinement ...I hadn't heard about the solitary confinement yet, jesus.<br /><br />Thanks for writing this, Jack, it's extremely true.Ethanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07498712279382078624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-217323509094980992010-12-07T08:29:08.691-05:002010-12-07T08:29:08.691-05:00I think it's directly on point, Montag. Thank ...I think it's directly on point, Montag. Thank you.Jack Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07499087036876745723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9102937856333775840.post-51560059903076750392010-12-07T07:25:48.185-05:002010-12-07T07:25:48.185-05:00though it is beside the point of the post, we migh...though it is beside the point of the post, we might also acknowledge that solitary confinement, extreme isolation, is psychological torture. Manning's mind is already being broken.C-Nihilisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16593930492411196818noreply@blogger.com