"...it's not the training to be mean but the training to be kind that is used to keep us leashed best." ~ Black Dog Red

"In case you haven't recognized the trend: it proceeds action, dissent, speech." ~ davidly, on how wars get done

"...What sort of meager, unerotic existence must a man live to find himself moved to such ecstatic heights by the mundane sniping of a congressional budget fight. The fate of human existence does not hang in the balance. The gods are not arrayed on either side. Poseiden, earth-shaker, has regrettably set his sights on the poor fishermen of northern Japan and not on Washington, D.C. where his ire might do some good--I can think of no better spot for a little wetland reclamation project, if you know what I mean. The fight is neither revolution nor apocalypse; it is hardly even a fight. A lot of apparatchiks are moving a lot of phony numbers with more zeros than a century of soccer scores around, weaving a brittle chrysalis around a gross worm that, some time hence, will emerge, untransformed, still a worm." ~ IOZ

Mar 7, 2011

Creep in Two Modes

I don't really much care for Radiohead. Maybe it's because I never developed a fondness for heroin; still, Creep is a good song:

Especially since Chrissie Hynde has put her mark on it:


Anonymous said...

Is it Yorke's voice that blocks all fondness?

I love 'em, but really it starts at OK Computer for me. And I used to love the Pretenders but only their first two albums, while James Honeyman-Scott was alive. It's not that I have something against Chrissie Hynde, it's just that I have something for guitar-based music. Which made Radiohead's electronic period (Kid A; Amnesiac) tough for me but I weathered and soldiered through unscathed.

Jack Crow said...

Charles, honestly a good part of it's the fact that anyone I knew who loved Radiohead, growing up, was a junkie.

Not an I-get-by-and-oh-yeah-I-happen-to-need-a-little-heroin-to-get-thru-this-day kind of user. A militant, proselytizing junkie.

Which perhaps also explains my opinions of Fish, Dylan and the Dead...

Also, I just don't like their sound, mostly.

Thom Yorke's voice is the best part of Radiohead. Good company with Nick Drake, Jeff Buckley, Geddy Lee and Jon Anderson.

W. Kasper said...

You forgot Lou Reed too. Radiohead aren't a bad band, just chronically overrated and pretentious because of that.

The thing about 'heroin-friendly' music is that it sounds pretty yucky when stoned (coke-friendly music sounds horrible under all conditions). Which - ironically - isn't something I can say about the many smack-addled jazz legends who sound simply lovely on 'chronic', or even green tea.

Jack Crow said...


I know he's overused as an example, but Miles really does illustrate that point.

I don't really know enough by or about Lou Reed to form an opinion. LR/VU was for the kids who were already accepted to RISD, WP, Emerson and NYU and who had parents who could afford to send them there.

Anonymous said...

While I spent 2 days on morphine after my 1985 right ACL reconstruction, I've never been a heroin user, let alone addict! I couldn't ever inject myself with anything. Good thing I'm not diabetic.

Radiohead just hits me the right way. I can't even see/hear/feel the "pretentious" character that others often reference. I do feel other musicians & bands embody pretense, though... just not Radiohead.

I don't know that it matters to me what "everyone" thinks about Radiohead, so "over-rated" doesn't even register for me. Whether the bozos at Spin, Rolling Stone, NYTimesSundayMag, whatever like or dislike Radiohead won't be on my landscape of musical appreciation. I think art is about connection, not popularity, and not commerce.

Does that mean I have more in common with 5 guys from relatively privileged English backgrounds, than I do with the throngs of unprivileged people who I grew up among? Is it about privileged-or-not?

W. Kasper said...

In the UK, there was helluva lot of ageing junkies (or even 'party casualties') who loved (solo) Lou Reed. Velvet Underground was more for the goth/indie kids. Sounds like their 'base' may have had a different class character to the US.

To me, Radiohead are just a 21st century Pink Floyd - but i don't wanna get into a discussion about THEM.

Randal Graves said...

I like Radiohead. The White Stripes, too. Doesn't matter whether someone's under-/over-/non-rated in the press or no. Dig what you dig, folks.

That said, everyone knows that weedy bands hold up best under all conditions. Electric Wizard!

Richard said...

I haven't listened to hardly any popular music in the last decade or so, having exiled myself to the world of minimalism, although I do listen to the Mekons and Gang of Four in my car from time, so I can't speak to Radiohead at all.

As for the Velvet Underground, I do have a strong opinion about that. As W. Kasper says, there is a goth/indie connection, and, for me, as someone who started listening to their albums 20 years after the fact (as the goth/indie kids did), the appeal was that there was an alternative music outside of the Stones/Beatles/Dylan axis. Besides liking the music, there was the allure that you could rebel against the rigid consensus in their favor (although, now, with the passage of more time, I can hear the Beatles for what they were, and appreciate that, as if they were never such a massive phenomenon at all).

Strangely enough, the same is true of James Brown, and I still remember one of my friends going apopletic when I dared to suggest that Brown had as much, and possibly greater influence on future music than the Beatles.